For the love for miniatures- interview with Kate Esme Ünver

Kate-Esme-Unver-Miniature-Podcast

For the love for miniatures- interview with Kate Esme Ünver

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Listen to my ‘mini’ chat with Kate Esme Ünver, author of The Book of Mini: Inside the Big World of Tiny Things. In The Book of Mini, she selects hundreds of pieces of mini artwork and organizes them into sections on tiny food, pottery, extreme micro scale and more. The book also includes interviews with collectors and artists exploring their methods, influences, and how they came to adore everything mini. Its a must-have book for the tiny lover in your life.
In 2012, Kate launched the ‘dailymini’, an online space that promotes miniaturists and the Art of Miniatures. You will want to check out her Instagram account, @dailymini, where she showcases the very unique and extraordinary miniatures from her vast collection and creations from other miniaturists from around the world. 
Show Notes:

0:04
Hello friends, and welcome to my miniature obsession podcast. I’m your host, Rachel Karpf. This podcast is about all things miniature, we will explore the world of minis. And all its raw talent, dedication, patience, and the new energy of this art form. Here for miniature hobbyist and professionals from all over the world, we will gain a deeper insight into the creative processes that drive them. We will also explore what their biggest struggles are their most devastating failures, and the most uplifting successes, I hope to encourage and inspire you in your miniature hobby. Because even the ordinary become extraordinary in miniature.

0:54
Hello, friends, I’m back for another episode of my miniature obsession podcast. Well, I hope you are enjoying the start to summer. Well, I guess technically summer hasn’t started. But when it gets over 40 degrees here in Wisconsin, I consider that summer. So we are in, I guess I could say enjoying the warmer weather. We have had our second camping trip under our belts now. And this year, it’s been really fun because we are exploring new places. So for the last eight years, we have parked our camper in a permanent site. And that’s where we pretty much stayed for eight years. So it’s been nice to get out and about and see new places here in Wisconsin. So when I’m not camping, I’ve been busy creating the fifth subscription box. So it can’t believe that I the miniature subscription box is almost a year old. So with that said Please watch for an awesome giveaway that I want to do here soon to celebrate the one year anniversary of the miniature subscription box. So I’m really excited for that. The next box will be shipping on August 5 And that cart is now open. So if you want to find out more information just please visit mini subscription box.com for more information. A couple of new things here also in my mini worlds are new, amazing little Tupperware sets that I will have available soon in my online mic drop miniature shop. So I just love miniature like a Tupperware and like vintage. I do have my Pyrex bowls. So I’ve been having fun making these Tupperware pieces. And because who didn’t have a KoolAid container, right and vintage temporary KoolAid container, I know we always did. And my grandma made a picture of KoolAid probably every day, if not multiple times a day. I think back to that, like that’s a lot of Kool Aid. It’s a lot of sugar, but it always had to be green kool aid because that was my grandpa’s favorite. Man, I haven’t had some green Kool Aid in a while, I might have to try that again. So also coming available to the mic drop miniature shop is a paper plate press. So how this came about is one of the items in the last miniature subscription box was paper plates because it was for a barbecue and we’re having miniature barbecue set. So I needed to make over 400 paper plates. And if you’ve ever made a paper plate, the way I’ve always done it is i i cut them out the circles or hole punch them. And then I take and I have to score each of them on like a circle template and it takes a while. So I’m like 400 of these, this is going to take me forever. So my friend and I came up with these little plate formers that I created on my 3d printer. And I’ve had so many requests to sell them in my online shop that I thought that I would, I would fulfill people’s dreams and bring that to my audit online shop. So watch for that soon. If you want to see what the heck I’m even talking about, you can head over to my Instagram page. I just posted a video there and how I used it. And I have to say it’s pretty cool. I actually have three different styles that it will punch out but more on that later. So you can find me on Instagram at mic drop miniatures. Same on Facebook. I posted the video there as well and tic tac. So again, that is at Mike drop miniatures.

4:42
So I also wanted to share that there is another monthly mini challenge happening in our mini district community, which is a Facebook group. So each month we have a challenge and it’s a chance to win cool prizes. You can learn some new techniques, meet some new have any friends and just have some fun. So this month’s challenge is to make a mini for the birds. Yep, that’s right. It can be a birdhouse a bird bath, bird feeder, whatever your imagination can come up with. So all you do is post a picture then of your creation inside of our miniature Facebook group. And then your name could be drawn to win some cool prizes, so and maybe creating isn’t your thing I would still ask you to join because you can see all the amazing projects that people have been posting. And again, you can still meet some really cool new mini friends. So that is our group on Facebook. Like I said, I will have a link in the show notes, but it’s facebook.com/group/the Mini district. Alright, so I think that’s all the housekeeping ahead. So let’s dive into today’s episode. And I hope you enjoy my conversation with Katie. One of the books, first books I’ve ever received, when I first got back into miniatures was Katie. And I just remember reading her book and thinking how much work had to go into this book? And how could it be that someday if I could talk to her, meet her. And that day came? I really enjoyed my conversation with Katie, and I hope that you do also. So thanks again, for listening. I hope you enjoy it. And as always, I can be found on social media. My handle is at Mike drop miniatures, or you can also find me at the mini district. So thanks for listening, and I hope to hear from you soon.

6:44
Okay. Hey, how’s it going? Good. How are you? Good, pretty good over here.

6:51
I was gonna say how’s LA but then I noticed you’re on the East Coast. And now you’re back in New York.

6:56
I’m actually in Vermont, visiting my parents that just moved up here.

7:02
Okay, so but you do live in LA still? Are you back in New York?

7:06
Yeah. So I’m I’m normally based in LA, although all of my miniatures and my belongings are in storage in New York. So it’s like, I’m physically in LA. But my footprint of belongings is New York.

7:22
That must be hard to have your collection, not with you.

7:25
Yeah, it’s one of those things where I try not to think about it, because it makes me sad to be part of all those minis. But in about a year and a half, I would say I’ve amassed I don’t know probably like 200 some odd minis just by going to shows and shops out there. So the collection continues.

7:49
Well, that was going to be one of my questions. So we might as well just ask that right away. I am curious to know, are you more of a collector? Do you create and how big is your collection? And maybe even the one in storage?

8:01
Yeah, it’s a great question. I would consider myself first and foremost an advocate for the miniature arts. And that would be firstly, and like a promoter of all artists working in that space. Secondly, a collector, thirdly, a curator, and every so often, I’ll dabble with making money myself, but I’d much rather support an artist out there that’s doing it far, far better than I ever could.

8:35
Okay, so do you have like houses? Or is that not your thing?

8:40
I don’t have houses at the moment. But to answer your question about how many minutes I have. Ah, I think I would I have had to estimate this before. And I just need to get back to New York and do like an inventory count. I would say it’s less than 3000. But I believe it’s more than 2000. Like individual pieces, individual pieces. Yeah.

9:10
Okay. It’s a big collection.

9:13
That’s my that would be my rough estimate. Might even be under 2000. But again, it’s like need to get there. Get a sense. You know, I have one miniature colleague at the International guild of miniature art artist and she, Barbara Davis, the head of Guild school knows exactly how many miniatures she has at all times because she’s she catalogs them. And I always think back to that, and the effort and the brilliance of knowing each and every one especially because there I wasn’t

9:52
really expecting a number. I was just like, oh, you know, like, a lot of rain. Yeah.

9:57
So I love the idea of having that happen. that number up your sleeve.

10:01
So when you see something in a show, you’re like, yep, have to have it. Is there a certain thing like that you’re drawn to?

10:08
Yeah, well, a lot of times at shows it’s a fine line between falling in love with an object and really feeling an affinity for the artist, or the seller. So sometimes, you know, I love small talk at miniature shows. So me too. Yeah, hearing someone’s story, if it’s a family business, if they’ve inherited it, if they have a sense of humor, if they’re warm, or even if they’re flustered, if they take a moment to just chat, like, I feel like that really draws me in. And maybe that’s just general like shopping 101. But sometimes hearing that story or feeling really good in that moment will draw me into their work. And propel me to to purchase something more readily than I would otherwise. But there are instances where I just fall in love with a piece or I’ve never seen something in many before. And I feel like I have to have it.

11:06
I’m the same way. I just recently went to Chicago, and I love talking to the artists, but there were some artists that very cold, you know, I didn’t really want to open up and so yeah, I do gravitate towards those people to that open up. And yeah.

11:21
And honestly, that’s okay, too. It’s hard, you know, for everyone to be on all the time. And you might catch someone in a good moment versus a bad but sometimes that’s just the difference that it makes. And you know, that’s not to say like, if someone is a mini Stickler, I might still want to purchase something from them, because the art is so good. So

11:42
maybe there’s having a bad moment. I know, as a mom, I don’t always have 100% good moments. So in your book, which I love, I have it right here. The book of mania, you mentioned that you’ve been part of the miniature community and world for a very long time. Can you tell us a little bit about that and how you got starting?

12:05
Yeah, absolutely. So beyond collecting and making minis from a very young age, it’s where all my allowance went towards. For years and years and years, I’ve always collected miniatures, there was never really a time that I wasn’t drawn to small scale works of art or design. And I had a doll house a physical structure for a number of years. And through a miscommunication, it was donated while I was away at at school. And after that, I just started collecting with a different mantra, which is not necessarily to curate one space or room or a structure, it’s more just, if you fall in love with the piece, it doesn’t matter where it exists in your Mini World, which has really opened up the doors for what I collect. You know, because it can be can be modern, or more Victorian or fantasy. It’s like a real mixed bag. And so after collecting for many years, and working professionally in social media and communications, I launched daily mini first on Instagram going on 10 years ago. So my 10 year anniversary will be this year, followed a few years later by a website, a blog, a presence on on Facebook and Twitter. And it really just grew from from there. So it’s it started out as a way for me to share works for my collection. And then I was able to interview many tourists and do studio visits, you know, promote and feature gallery shows or museum exhibits. So for me, what I get out of it is I’m incredibly passionate about miniature art. It’s just, I say in my book, it’s a language that I’ve I’ve always spoken and I I can’t imagine my life without miniatures and if it was up to me, I would be in this world full time and I would just be all things many all day every day. That’s sort of the dream one day is to pursue that career pivot where somehow I can be full time in the miniature world.

14:46
Oh, you’re off to a good start. I mean wow, you I was looking at your Instagram page for those that don’t know you highlight every day is it really every day? I didn’t really look but

14:56
it’s it’s every day the you know, the only exceptions have either been Then, like family emergencies, or if I’m out of the country without Wi Fi. But there are days that I post multiple times so

15:10
crazy. So every day you post either like you said something on your personal collection, or you feature another artists and their work. Wow, that’s a lot, because 10 years every day, that’s a lot. Do you find it hard to keep finding artists?

15:26
No, by now, and not at all, not at all, I am so impressed by how many artists are comfortable and confident to share their work online, whether it’s on Instagram, or Tiktok, or Facebook, and that they keep up with the times in terms of evolving what creations they’re making. So whether it’s an ad to pop culture today, something more contemporary, or they’re tackling a period of history that really has not been represented before in miniature. So from my end, I never feel like I’ll have a shortage. It’s just a matter of my like, I, I kind of how do I describe this? It’s not. It’s not the archive that Barbara Davis brilliantly has. But I do have a pretty good memory of what I’ve featured, even across 10 years to know oh my gosh, I’ve never featured that in miniature, or, okay, my feed could use could use some diversity in terms of the age of the artists, the location, the type of work the object for scale, the color scheme, the patterns. I try and keep that.

16:43
And it’s on your head. Well,

16:47
it’s it’s a mixed bag. But yeah, it’s a back in the day, I was able to mean I probably still could like scroll all the way back to find a word because I knew exactly like the month, the week around when it was from,

17:04
oh, I can’t barely remember yesterday. 10 years worth of content. You are to the curse. You are finding these artists mostly on social media? Or are you finding them at shows to

17:17
the majority? It’s on social but absolutely yes at shows because there are a number of artists that either don’t have a digital presence today by virtue of a website or an online shop, let alone a social media presence. So yeah, shows and then local miniature shops. So I mentioned I’m in Vermont. Now there’s the dollhouse in Toy Museum of Vermont. That is about 20 minutes from where I am. And I had the pleasure of, of visiting and chatting with the owner Jackie Morrow about her collection and how it formed. And without going there, I wouldn’t have necessarily known the breadth of the work just by their online presence. So anytime I travel, I scout out miniature shops or museums or folks, because I think it’s really important to be able to see the work in person if the opportunity is there. Me

18:18
tell you my husband loves it. Just kidding. But yeah, I do the same thing. So with you traveling so much. Is there just a place that you love to go? Whether a chaperone museum that you like everyone has to go here at one time? Yeah.

18:33
I mean, the first. The first place, I would say without pause is our annual igma Guild school in Castine. Maine each June.

18:45
I like to do list into that.

18:48
Yeah, it’s it is really they you know, everyone that goes describes it as the best week of the year. And I would have to agree it’s there’s a different sort of Buzz because you’re creating works of art. So you’re it’s like that creative fulfillment. It’s like being you know, the first week of school or something that buzz of excitement. So you’re scratching that creative itch, you’re learning new techniques, and tricks of the trade, but you’re also really pushing yourself, you know, there’s homework. So it’s you have to have this discipline and this rigor to be able to finish out the week. But then you’re greeted with by old friends and new and it’s such a gorgeous time of the year in coastal Maine. There’s lectures and workshops. Each night there’s a an evening where you can shop the wares of artisans and fellows that are attending school, which is really great. It’s like a limited run of work that only you know, 200 some odd people We’ll get to shop versus 1000s At a show. And so, so without fail, guild school, and then I think the the guild show each year in the fall is also phenomenal. That’s in September, usually in Connecticut. That’s for east coasters. I think Tom bishops Chicago International is cannot be missed. Did you hear? I wasn’t able to go this year. But having gone in years past, it’s just I mean, there’s too much to see in an exciting way where you feel like you have to keep going, even if you’re exhausted day one. And then just being in Chicago, this city with such rich miniature history, the museum’s there, the Art Institute, the Museum of Science and Industry. Coleen Moore’s Fairy Castle, that’s, that’s at the MSI. It’s, it’s really, I think, an extraordinary miniature city and to go to go and be able to shop as well as it’s really something else. And there’s such an international presence there.

21:17
Yes. Yeah, I love it this year. So funny thing about Chicago, my husband surprising me with a birthday trip there this summer. And so my first question was, well, I’ve always wanted to go visit the thorn rooms. And so he’s like, okay, he knew it was coming, right. Have to go see some type of minis. So if I only have can hit up one of the three that you just mentioned, would you do that art institute?

21:44
I think I would, I think this dorm rooms, if you’ve yet to see them in person, they’re pretty life changing. Because they’re, I mean, I think what the cook Jack family was able to do remains to be the best of the best, okay. Like their use of light, and also that it’s they’re really artfully curated where some rooms like kitchens might have as much. I mentioned this new book, like up to 200 miniatures. Others are more minimally curated, but just as powerful scenes. I would say yes, if you can. Absolutely. And then there’s one other museum. I’m not remembering the name. Now that has miniature works in Chicago. I’ll see if it comes back to me. Okay,

22:38
I didn’t, I didn’t realize there were so many. I thought I only had the one option, but now I may have four. Well, no. So and then the same question for shows. I know you mentioned Tom Bishop, is there any other shows? I know that Yeah. Vegas one that’s kind of close to you, will you be going there in February,

22:56
I’m gonna try it. You know, whenever being on the West Coast, I want to, to try my hand at a number of these different shows, I was able to go to the San Diego mini club show in February, which was lovely feel like it was such a great family event. And just fun. It was like a really fun show. I love the Philadelphia miniature area in the fall each year, that’s also a family run show that’s got a great mix of different artists and types of work. The Guild guild show in Connecticut, there’s there’s smaller New Jersey shows as well in central New Jersey. And then there’s good Sam, out in I believe it’s San Jose. I mean, at the end of the day, if there is a Miniature, show, store, museum, club or artist in your area, reach out to that to that person that business and go because there could be something that you see there a person that you meet that changes ultimately pivots, the type of work that you’re interested in making or it just completely you know, alters your perception of what miniature art can be. And a lot of the the brick and mortar shops, you know, with every passing year, there the trend has been that there are less and less which is a difficult truth. So if there’s one locally go and support it and you know here that that shop owner story, what got them into the business chances are probably in the late 70s or 80s when When it ramped up, but yeah, I have, I would say I have a love for all meetings everywhere without exception.

25:09
I see managers and I’m like, yep, gotta go. I was actually in Hobby Lobby and I saw a sign. Do you like miniatures? And it was like, screaming at me like, yes. So of course, I had to go up to it. And there was a local club here, like 10 miles from my house. So I think if you, you may not even know about these little local clubs. So really explore maybe hang a sign up at your Michaels or your, your your craft stores and just see if you can even start one because, yeah, I met some amazing ladies, we just had Christmas in May, where we all made each other things and we do projects. It’s so much fun.

25:47
Yeah, that’s, that’s actually a great idea I hadn’t thought about hadn’t thought about putting up a sign like that in LA. But I know there are certainly a number of many artists that are in the industry, whether recruiting works for TV, film, or or publication. But even just a local club, I think would be so fun. And it would remove any excuse that I’ve had all this time to not make many so.

26:15
So yeah, that brings up a good question about being in LA and New York. What is the scene? Like? Is it mostly film like you? Are you just bombarded by people who do miniatures because of the TV and movie industry,

26:30
I think it’s, it feels different than New York, maybe in a, it’s gonna say in a grander scale. I think it might be a mix of some of these artists are professionally in film and TV. So whether as set designers or set dressers or, you know, fashion designers or videographers, they’re in this world already. And or they get into minis, whatever that order is. But a lot of what I’ve seen in LA has really blown my socks off. And I didn’t expect that because I always thought of New York as this, you know, sort of untouchable, unmatchable arts and cultural scene, which is inclusive of miniature art. But there are I mean, there’s masters out in LA, and the work just kind of has this thinking of like, a few artists in particular, I think it draws you in, it can be thrilling. And it can also be over the top, but successfully over the top.

27:53
So you actually get to see it in the works. Like yes, so maybe I need to move to LA. So you do have some amazing videos for those that don’t know, on your website, and I’ll leave all the links so everyone can find you. But so those videos you have on your website are those ones from like, la like movie scenes.

28:13
So I have on my site, my, my last chapter of the Book of Mini was all virtual content. So I wanted to help get readers both off the page and able to search for other miniature art that they loved. But it was also a way to feature a number of artists that maybe are slightly smaller at work slightly smaller or larger than 112 scale. And, and then I wanted to represent there’s this whole, you know, mini cooking scene of real food out there. So that’s represented as well on my site. But yeah, I think it’s a mixed bag of artists from from all over. I would say that final chapter.

29:00
I gather real kitchen to cook many food and I’ve cooked in it twice. It’s just I just used to make the time but it’s so much fun. So I did see you have is it the tiny kitchen video? Yeah, so she’s based in LA

29:14
or that yes, that team is based out of LA the Tastemade team. So they’ve got like the hands of the tiny kitchen and then the recipe team as well as a pretty I think a pretty extensive production team.

29:26
So where can you is it still on TV? I think it was on was it on Netflix?

29:31
Ah, I don’t know off the top of my head where to watch other than there’s a wealth of content on their YouTube and then on their social feeds. So tiny kitchen, or casemates tiny kitchen and then

29:46
for a while there Netflix had like three miniature shows and it was like awesome. Ah, yes.

29:53
Yeah, I hope there’s there’s more mini content coming out. I was just gonna say in addition to A tiny kitchen, there’s a lot of countries where they will, artists of that particular region of the world will create local and local dishes from their culture or region. So there’s a mini kitchen, out of Turkey. There’s one out of Japan, there’s one out of Korea, there’s one out of India. But those are pretty incredible, too, because it’s just how to how do I say this? I think you and I would be delighted to see a miniature burger coming to life, you know, 100 times, but maybe by the 100. And first time, we want to see a different cuisine. And it’s pretty remarkable that it’s like proof that this miniature through line exists beyond in between time zones and cultures. So,

31:06
yeah. Have you ever been to Japan? Like anything over there to see their miniature worlds?

31:12
top of my list?

31:15
I, what is it the brand? remnant?

31:18
Yes, free meant?

31:19
Yeah, like I you can hardly find those anymore to purchase, or at least I can, unless you’re spending a lot of money. But I just had that thought the other day, like to go visit over there. And just to see their miniature world would be amazing.

31:32
Yeah, to go with an empty suitcase.

31:34
Yes. Check me out. Well, when do you think you’ll do that? I’m so jealous.

31:42
Oh, my hope is I mean, it’s really it’s, it feels like it’s next on my list of big trips, I would hope by next year, but if not the following. But it’s, it’s, you know, being in LA, it feels more feasible. It’s closer. Same with like a trip to Hawaii, not necessarily for my knees, but just because it’s right there. But yeah, I would want to actively research and get in touch with the Japanese miniature guild to sort of know, like, where to go and to have a few days dedicated just for that.

32:20
So are you hiring an assistant at all?

32:27
I wish but but let me just say like, just I, I want to look back on this conversation in a few years and be able to say to myself, like, oh, look, Kate, you were able to pivot full time into miniatures? Because I can’t keep thinking this year after year after year and not do something about it. You know,

32:49
what were you What would your dream be in the world in the miniature world? Oh,

32:54
I would absolutely still want to promote the artists. So to tell their stories in a responsible way. I’ve always wanted to create a book of fiction, children’s books, like a series that has miniatures as like a through line. Yeah, and then perhaps, you know, a museum. I think I’m getting close. Getting close to that. And maybe a shop like, you know, this, this miniature museum in Vermont in Bennington, Vermont, the owner transformed her parents house into this space because the house itself lent itself and looked like a Victorian doll house. But it started as her collection and then it grew. And I mean, the idea of just visiting one room or one space that’s filled with miniatures every day like that makes my heart sing I would love I would love that I think that’s the dream whether it’s your your studio slash galleries slash museum

34:15
sounds wonderful. And you could do the museum and the shop all in one when rooms shop come by, yeah,

34:21
I mean, getting getting close to making that move. I just want to put together like a five year plan and be able to artfully make that pivot because it it’s important to me and at the end of the day, we should all be doing something that we love that we get meaning from and that makes us you know, it keeps us inspired and makes us really happy.

34:50
I am here. That’s why I do these podcasts. I don’t get paid for these. I just find the conversation about money so fascinating. And to me people and just talk my knees is wonderful. So I totally totally understand that. Where would you do it LA, New York, maybe in between. So I’m close.

35:12
By coastal, I love you and I, there’s something I love. And this was a. This is like a concept that came up with one of my collaborators a few years ago of a mini museum. And that’s like a structure about the height and width of a room box, such as the Thorne rooms. But that is a rotating exhibit. But I almost like the idea of having like having this rotating space where I know I’m going to come across like a traveling salesman, or saleswoman, but like to be able to take it on the road. So maybe there is one brick and mortar store. But maybe then I can maybe you can have

35:57
bus. Yeah, you ever remember the bookmobiles? I don’t know if you have those where you were, but I’m just wondering the Scholastic

36:03
story, the school bus, what is what is

36:08
that? Oh, the Magic School Bus?

36:10
Yes, that’s what I’m picturing. But it’s this mini school.

36:14
This was a big bus. And it was colorful, or at least I remember it being colorful. And you walked in, and it was filled with books. And I loved it as a kid. And I think I still love bookstores. But maybe that will you do that for miniatures?

36:32
I love that my first my first thought instead of a bust is like hitching some sort of trailer to a motorcycle, and just taking it around the country. And then like the trailer, like, literally transforms into a dress or something that has all the minis there. But I love the idea of taking it on the road, because you know, well, in the digital age, or the, you know, the the academy culture that we’re living in you, it’s hard to expect folks to come to you versus taking it. And it lends itself to travel. It’s a you know, small scale art. And then you get to meet all different types of people as you go and just sort of spread the word about minis across the US in the world. I mean, sounds like a pretty good idea. I don’t know what the what the monetization is. But I like like, what, what we’re getting at here,

37:34
make sure to move that to your happy list, because I can’t wait to see what you do. So how long did it take you to write this book? There’s a lot of information in this book.

37:45
There is I had about five months since working with the team at Black Dog and Leventhal. So it was about five months to get that first quote, unquote, Final Draft over wasn’t final how to, to get everything over, which was a bit of a condensed timeline. So but I mean, I definitely have been thinking about a book for a number of years, but then when you chat with a team to see what’s feasible. And for me, the one thing I was most excited about was the miniature book inside of

38:27
the book, I was gonna ask you where they like you want to watch

38:33
that and then the virtual chapter just to keep people so it’s not just the static experience where you read it, you close the book, it’s more like it propels you online to research the artists and maybe find a local shop. Yeah, the mini book that I mean that to me, you know, you asked, and when we I first joined, what would I consider myself a collector curator maker. That to me is a miniature that I made with the help of the team, but that’s probably what I’m most proud of main other books. Well, in terms of like creating the actual layout and designing it and selecting, like a good mix of, of artists represented in the full scale

39:23
book. That’s awesome. I love it. So any more books in your future?

39:28
Hopefully a children’s book. That’s really that feels like something that has also just been on the list, whatever that virtual list is, is like a goal or a book of fiction. But for many years, I don’t know that took a lot out of me. Although I would say it was so much fun to make and it could not have been made it was is not possible without the support of all the artists represented and many more that at the end were not included in in this book, you know, it was a collaborative curation effort with my editor. And it was that was the hardest part is not being able to represent, you know, everyone that I spoke to. Yeah, most most proud of that little book and the book itself.

40:25
Yes, it’s awesome. I loved reading this book and had it for a while. So I will leave a link for that too. Well, so anything else you want to share with us? Conversation immediate? Yeah,

40:38
yeah, sure. Um, the only thing I’ll make mention of besides, again, saying that, if you’re not already part of a miniature club, or community, you know, check out one locally, as well as feel free to look into igma, the International guild of miniature artisans, and name, the National Association of miniature enthusiasts. But the other mention I was going to make is just of the second season of best in miniature coming

41:13
out. Yeah, that was one of my questions. So how can one in the US watch it?

41:19
Yeah, that’s a good question. So I had the pleasure of consulting with the team on the first season. And one of the that was one of the questions that kept circulating, is understanding, you know, will it be open to those not in the UK or Canada? And is there a way to watch? The short answer is not at this time. However, I know, there were a few folks that were able to watch it by, I don’t even necessarily know the process, but it’s by downloading like, like, the, the, the app in that particular region, and then sort of like changing your IP address, I don’t want to promote that. I would love to not promote that. I think we just in the US, we have to be patient, because these things take time. You know, whether it’s shopping around the show in a different geolocation or just allowing it to garner attention organically in that region. And then waiting a little bit a couple of seasons before it comes to the US.

42:35
I have been patient. But when the more people talk about it, like I was one person, I follow he, he wants to be on the next season. So he, you know, watch for this watch, then I’m like, I want to watch it. But I’m being patient. Just it’s really hard.

42:50
I know, it is hard. I wish I had a better answer. But um, yeah, respectfully, you know, for all the effort that the production team has put into this process. I think we just we have to be a little bit patient and see, and just enjoy every clip that is posted online. And once it comes to the states, you know, we can all have viewing parties. Yes, yeah, I’ll be there. So will you be

43:17
going to ignite this year?

43:19
You know, I wasn’t sure if I was going to be an I’m so close to it now in Vermont only a few hours. I don’t want to say I don’t know yet. It’s I’ve got like two, two and a half, three weeks to figure that out. So will see being so far away. Now pretty much exactly. The furthest distance, I can be la, la to coastal Maine. It’s made it harder than just hopping on a motorcycle and riding up from New York, which I’ve done in years past.

43:54
I think that actually after talking, it’s you that moved to the top of my to do list. So I’m gonna get on that today and get it all figured out. Yeah, and

44:02
for those that are based around and your main there is a public exhibition held that the guild school every year, so during the time that students are creating work, there’s existing works on display in the gallery, and it is unbelievable, like no exhibition I’ve ever seen before. It’s really like the best of the best work a mix of every student that’s there and the instructors. It’s pretty phenomenal. It’s open to the public that whole week. So that’s just another plug to get up there even if you’re not at school.

44:41
So yes, I definitely am going to move that to the top of my list and hopefully you’ll be there and motorcycle or by plane. Well, thank you again for joining me today. I appreciate it. And I really enjoyed our conversation. I can’t wait to see what’s in store for you.

44:55
Yeah, yeah. Thank you so much, Rachel for having me and Yeah, I look forward to seeing what’s next in this miniature world of ours and for anyone tuning in. If you’d ever like to collaborate or just chat about miniatures, feel free to reach out to me I’m, I’m always excited to take the call and chat. So thanks again. Thanks Kate. Bye bye

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