Tammie Knight- Small Matters Miniatures

Tammie Knight- Small Matters Miniatures

On this new episode I got to chat with Tammie and I so loved this conversation! Ever talk with something and you feel that instant connection? That’s how I felt with Tammie!
I hope that you enjoy our mini chat!
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Transcribed Episode:

Hello friends, and welcome to my miniature obsession podcast. I’m your host, Rachel Karpf. This podcast is about all things miniature, we will explore the world of minis. And all its raw talent, dedication, patience, and the new energy of this art form. Here for miniature hobbyists and professionals from all over the world, we will gain a deeper insight into the creative processes that drive them. We will also explore what their biggest struggles are the most devastating failures, and the most uplifting successes, I hope to encourage and inspire you in your miniature hobby. Because even the ordinary become extraordinary in miniature. Hello, friends, it’s Rachel and I’m back for another episode of my miniature obsession podcast. I hope that you are well and you’re having a great holiday season. I decided yesterday it was kind of a funny story. I looked at my husband and said, you know, Tim, I think I need a break. And he’s like from me. And then I realize, okay, that did sound pretty bad, of course, and not for me, you just need to slow things down a little bit and feel like I just need to catch up. Have you ever felt that way? I think this is coming after I just shipped out my third subscription back. So maybe that’s why I’m feeling this way. So these monthly bi monthly subscription boxes are so much fun, and I enjoy every second of it. But it’s a lot of work. So I feel I deserve a break, right. But don’t worry, I will still be active on social media and answering emails, I’m just going to slow the train down just a little bit from full speed. And with that said, that means January 1, I can hit the throttle, as we have some really exciting things planned for you, especially in the mini district. We will be having classes and right in the mini district. We’re really excited for this! And so more on that will come very very soon.
So let’s get in today’s episode, I got to chat with Tammy and I love this conversation so much. Have you ever talked with someone and just felt that instinct connection? That’s how I felt with Tammy and I hope that you enjoy our mini chat. And if you would please follow us both on social media Tammy can be found on Instagram at TammyKnightminiatures. Me, I can be found @Micdropminiatures. We also have some websites that you could check out to me can be found at smallmattersminiatures.com and me Micdropminiatures.com. So I hope that you enjoy today’s episode and I really hope to hear from you soon. All right. Bye, guys.
Hey, Rachel. Hi, Tammy. I’m so glad we finally get to meet
3:17
you too. Thank you for your patience.
3:20
How are things in San Francisco?
3:23
Things are good. I live right outside the city. Well, not right outside and live 30 miles outside the city in the East Bay. And we’ve gotten a lot of rain lately, which we need because as you know California is always trying to burn so it’s good. Yeah.
3:38
You live in Pleasant Hill.
3:40
wow. Yeah, that’s like four miles from me five miles from me. Oh, really?
3:44
I loved it there. I really did. It was many, many moons ago when I was like 20. I don’t even know if I was 21. And it is very expensive for me. And I really wanted to go to school. So there was no option for me. So I had to move back to familiar.
4:02
Yeah, no, it’s the Bay Area is cost prohibitively expensive. And my husband I talked about where we’re going to go once we get the kids out of the house and on their way because we can’t afford to retire here or to be here for much longer. So yeah, it’s unfortunate. It’s beautiful, but it’s pricey.
4:18
I love that my aunt when I first moved there the first day it snowed and she’s like, I think you doom the city because I found my grandson and I brought the snow with me and I remember it was like October it was just a light light dusting. So I kind of do miss any I guess but but thank you for again joining me. I have so many questions. I try to think back on how I came across you and I want to say probably Instagram. Yeah. And what I fell in love with your designs is they all tell a story and I love miniatures that tell a story in yours. You have so many but you have a quote on your website that I really loved and I I want to share it So it said, some of the life’s simplest pleasures live in the everyday, these small moments can take on greater meaning and become really big when they come to life in miniature. And that like, spoke to me because I totally agree.
5:16
Yeah. Oh, thank you. I wrote that, at least two decades ago. I wrote that a long time ago. But miniatures are a big part of my life like yours, and I love them. They’re what I want to go to all the time, happy, sad, whatever. That’s where I go. It’s my happy, safe place, or just my safe place sometimes. And yeah, it’s fun to connect with fellow miniatures that really have the passion, because I was looking through some of your posts on Instagram, and I’m like, Oh, my God. Like, she’s like me, and she loves him so much. By the way, I’m excited for you that you get to go to Chicago show.
5:46
Yes, I It’s. So I had girls weekend planned. And then this came about, and I’m like, oh, so I’m, I’m gonna do both. But I’m really, really excited. So this is like really new to me. So like, five days ago, I realized I’m gonna go to the show. Wow. Yes. I’m excited. Yeah, good for you. So let’s back up. You said that you started miniatures. When you were nine, can you kind of tell us how you got started?
6:11
Yeah, it was, it was really my mom. So my mother, God rest her soul. My beautiful mother loved life’s adventures in New York. So we were always going to fairs and shows and concerts and anything where we could go, especially if it was cost effective, because we didn’t have a lot of money. And one of my mother’s favorite museums was the Museum of the City of New York. And it’s a really cool museum. And it’s got three floors, and I haven’t been there in decades. But when I was a kid, the third floor had dolls, dolls, houses and miniatures. And they were mostly dollhouse scale. But you know, some of them were a little bigger. And some things were probably closer to 124 scale. And I remember the first time she took me and we got off the elevators and I looked around, and I was like, Oh, my God. And even though everything was old, to me, it was magical. It was like better than go into FAO Schwarz, right, better than seeing new stuff. And that really sparked the moment that I wanted to be around miniatures all the time. And when I got my first dollhouse, which I’m trying to think of leave my dad actually built. i My mother said, the way that I played with it to her seemed like I was trying to create a world and it wasn’t just like playing like with dolls. And it was like, trying to decorate it and wanting to see textures on the floor and asked me if I could have little snippets of fabrics. Like I wanted to really decorate it. And yeah, over 40 years later, it’s still, it’s still a big passion.
7:33
So you so you said you went to the Parsons School of Design, which I want to talk a little bit about that, because I feel like I only hear about that in the movies. You know, it’s kind of like one of those magical schools. So is that kind of what you win for then was like that interior design and just design as a whole? Or what,
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believe it or not, believe it or not? No. So I was, I was kind of discouraged. And I can’t remember why in high school, that the Interior Design Space in New York, you know, it was in New York, and it was a very crowded space with a lot of really talented people. And I think to be honest, one of my teachers in high school thought I might be good, but I’m not that good. And he thought that I had a stronger bent toward graphic design. So I believed him. And I was like, Okay, I’ll go to Parsons, and study, graphic design and illustration. So I had a double major. And then my minor was art history, because I absolutely love all things art history. And it was a very intense experience. It’s an amazing school. I met some of my best friend to this day I met when we were freshmen at Parsons. And I think what I learned the most about it was it sort of sounds cliche, but you make it what you want it to be. And I think my son and I were just talking about this the other night, I think Parsons was really the place where they sort of had three groups, you were either there and you weren’t going to make it because you were going to realize that yeah, like art, but I’m not doing this intense, right, the program was really intense, or I love art, and I’m going for it. And I’m going to figure out how to do it, or the people that sort of had a very clear sense of what they wanted to do. They were there to get their degree, and then they were going to do it. And I sort of fell in the between the I love art, I’m gonna see if this is for me. But also for a little while I was in that, like, going to make it here because the classes were were really rigorous. And they were back to back. And as a freshman, you take, I think 11 courses of study to see which major you want to declare. And it was, it was intense, but it was amazing. I would do it again. Yeah.
9:26
So do you still practice graphic design?
9:29
I do. I actually have a couple of quiet clients that I do logos for and I used to do more, but I used to do birth announcements and business cards and all that sort of thing. But then I sort of stepped away from it because I always went back to miniatures. And the funny thing was, I always thought, the more I do have that stuff, the less time I have to work on miniatures, so I’m going to sort of not do much of that. But it’s great because if you get a job every now and then as a freelance it pays and that’s awesome. And my miniatures I made a good living recently but it’s Many it’s been many years since it’s been enough to really say it has an income base for me. It’s been more just fun. Which can be a bit much when you’re spending your discretionary money on miniatures.
10:11
Yeah, yeah, I hear that. That’s why I try to make most all of my things. So we do have a lot in common because I’m also a graphic designer. Oh, wow. Yeah. So I went to school to to the Art Institute for graphic design. And like you I love, you know, the freelance work once in a while. And I also find that it’s, I think I’m kind of intuitive advantage that I can use my graphic abilities in Dallas managers,
10:37
right. Yeah. Well, now now I know why your website of your Instagram is so impressive. Like when I look at even just the business that you have with the kids, which is so cool. Such a great idea. I just look at the way you package everything. And when you put your announcements up, and I thought it’s funny, I was going to ask you who does that for you? And it turns out, you do it for you, because you’re a graphic designer. That’s very cool.
10:58
Yeah. Thank you for that. You know, you’re your own worst credit, critic. Yeah, definitely my worst for me. But anyway, um, I found recently though, that a while I spent a lot of time on social media. I’m trying to like, back it off, maybe and then just focus on more of the creations. So happy balance, right? Yeah.
11:20
Yeah, for sure.
11:21
Can you talk about your creations in a hole? So looking at your website, you make a lot of creations for other people. So they they commissioned you to make? Is it like certain rooms in their house? Or like, yeah, yeah,
11:37
yeah, I mean, I’ve done I’ve done things that have been commissioned that were people saying, recreate this space or do this thing. It’s not on my website yet, but I promise I’ll get it up soon. I recently, one of the best commissions I’ve ever had was, The gentleman wanted a Tiffany store in miniature for his wife for big birthday. And it’s one of my favorite projects, over 100 hours, very intense, getting miniature purses glassware from Spain, Russia, the Netherlands, the UK, Japan, it is really one of my best projects. It’s really cool. So sometimes back that someone will say, Here’s my budget, or what would you charge, here’s what I want. And, and I do it. Sometimes it’s a gift for someone who’s having a baby, or for someone who’s celebrating a special occasion. So I’ve done a little bit of everything. But I do love the projects, where it’s a commission that is a specific space, and someone wants me to duplicate it, but not to completely replicate it. Like I like having the freedom to be creative. And to tell the story that is sometimes someone else’s story. But from my vantage point, versus just creating a space that is exactly like a photograph. I mean, I’ve done that. But I actually prefer not to do that. It’s more fun to sort of have the license to bring in moments and bring in things that are sort of living in my miniature brain.
12:51
Cool. So do you have any of your own personal exact replicas?
12:56
I do. There’s one, and it’s on my website. And I don’t know if it’s called out specifically it might be yes, it’s on my blog. So my room when I was a senior at Parsons was a hot mess. I was living with a friend and I had a tiny, literally tiny New York, you know, room, and all of my stuff was in there. So it was my, my living quarters were sort of on the left side. And on the right side, it was my my art studio. So it had my desk and all my Parsons books and just all the Parsons stuff. And it was really messy. And I tried, I worked on that project for many months replicating it, it even looks like an open portfolio. And when you graduate from Parsons, you have to create, present your senior project. And it’s many things, it’s stuff that you’re most proud of, or stuff specifically that you worked on your last year there. And that was the center of my my presentation. And it’s funny because I loved that people loved my other stuff. And they thought my graphic design was good, not great. But they loved the miniature. And they loved the details. And the fact that I was addicted at that time to raisin brands. So there’s a little bowl of raisin bread with the box. And it’s like all the stuff that was really in my space. And that yeah, that was probably one of my favorite projects for many years ago.
14:02
Yeah, I love that. We just did an article on our blog. Sean did and it was like showing gratitude through your miniatures. And so that kind of reminds me of that is how you’re bringing up all the things. You know that from your past. I just love. Like I said, I love miniatures that tell a story. I think it’s so great.
14:21
Yeah, I find it a perfect medium to tell a story, right? I think even if you aren’t necessarily consider yourself to be someone that’s really good with the spoken word or even the written word. It gives you a it’s like that 3d ability to tell a story and I’ve gotten it’s funny you say too much time on social media. Of late as I’ve wanted to expand my miniature reach and learn more and connect more with more miniatures. I’ve been spending a little too much time in the evenings and on the weekends on social media too. And I noticed that the sites that I’m most drawn to are that like they’re the ones where someone isn’t just, you know, holding a miniature and showing you something which I like that stuff too. It’s cool, but where they’ve created a scene and especially if they move Is there video through it? I absolutely love that. I think it’s really magical.
15:04
Yeah, video really brings it to life. Because then you can really sense the scale more, I think, too. So where do you like? So if you’re doing an exact replica of something, and you’re just, oh, how do I do this? Or where you’re stuck? Where do you go for help her inspiration.
15:20
I love to go, frankly, the cliche online. So I do Google searches all day long for things. But I also like to walk in spaces. So when I started the Tiffany project, there was a Tiffany, it’s a beautiful Tiffany store in Walnut Creek, not far from us. And it’s funny because it’s nothing like the Tiffany bowl like New York, Tiffany Fifth Avenue, it’s not that at all. And there’s a Tiffany store in Greenwich Village that might take new stores modeled after, but just being in the store, and seeing the counters again, and seeing the way and Tiffany has a you know a very iconic, iconic brand. So even though the spaces are different to me, there’s a feel I’ve only been to four locations in four states. But to me, they all sort of had that same feel. So I wanted to walk around in Tiffany’s and just sort of look around. And remember what like I said, like, what the counters look like that. One of the floors. And so if possible, if I’m going to do a miniature I want to walk a space that sort of makes me feel the feeling that I need to be in because for me, miniatures are very emotional. I mean, I have to obviously use my brain to think about how I want to create something and to create models and scale, but a lot of it is how do I feel? And how do how do they make the person that I’m gifting or creating a project for feel? So I’m always looking for that feeling? And I try to start with how do I feel about it?
16:38
So when you gift, do these people? Are they miniature lovers? And if not, how do they react to your miniatures?
16:46
Oh, that’s awesome. That’s a great question. Some of them aren’t, like. So good example is a good friend of mine. We haven’t been close in many years, but we used to be incredibly close. When she was having her first baby. I kept asking her questions about the nursery and what you know what she pictured and I remember that she was kind of intrigued by that, because she didn’t know that I did miniatures because I hadn’t started bringing them into the office yet, which became a thing. I eventually started bringing my miniatures in, I have a different one in every month or so. But I haven’t started doing that yet this particular job. So I would ask her, you know what colors and just get a sense of what she wanted. And I ended up creating a miniature room for her for her first baby. And she lost it. She, she said, Oh my God, it’s like one of her favorite things. And she said, my mother’s like, couldn’t believe it. I think her mother emailed me to tell me how amazing it was. And her reaction to it was really cool. So I sometimes get the bigger reaction from the people that aren’t necessarily miniatures. Because I think miniatures have a passion and a love for it. And there’s almost an expectation of Oh, yeah, that’s gonna be cool. It’s a miniature, whereas a person who isn’t in that world, it’s like, blows their mind. So yeah, that’s that’s one of the best reactions ever.
17:55
Good, cuz, well, hopefully, my family isn’t listening to this, but I am making them a miniature for Christmas. And I’m really excited to see their their reaction. So I wish I could share with you but I’m not going. Oh,
18:09
yeah, we’ll share it another time. Yeah.
18:11
So how big would you say your personal collection is?
18:16
My husband isn’t listening. My personal collection, honestly. I mean, think about I started collecting decades and decades ago, I would say it’s probably over 100 banker boxes in size, and well over $20,000 worth of just stuff. But then there’s just all the rooms and all of those. So a lot of it lives with other people as either as gifts or that they’re holding on to it. For me. The big dollhouse behind me is one of my big projects that believe it or not, even almost 20 years later, only the outside is done. Because it’s just I don’t have time. I would I would love my goal is to make miniatures my full time thing. Whether it is with a blog, a website, an HT HGTV show, plugin, Matt looking on something. They’re not interested in me, but I’m interested in them. So it’s one of those things where if I could it would be what I do all the time. But because I have a full time job. It’s really hard to, to work on everything. But I always am always buying things and always finding things. The last minute you show I went to I was in the bargain section looking for deals and I found tons of deals and my husband’s like, where are you going to put all that stuff? I said, I don’t know. Eventually I might have a store. So yeah, I have a lot. I’ve amassed an incredible collection of stuff.
19:33
I I’m there with you. I shared a story recently that I joined a local miniature club. Oh, well, good for you. Yeah, it’s me. And I think there’s seven of us. Wow. And my first meeting they said one of the members had passed away and she left her whole collection to us, Mike Oh, I didn’t think much of it. Well, we got there and they said bring a truck. So that should have been my first clue but I Oh my gosh, like at least 150 200 doll houses I don’t even know. I mean, the whole basement was filled it was to 2500 square feet. And it was filled basically with dollhouse miniatures and buckets. And Ben
20:14
goodness, it took my collection.
20:18
And so I have a lot of her stuff now. And I started to take over my husband shared and he’s not happy. And I think it’s great.
20:27
Oh, you’re like, I love that. Gosh, you have you do you have this incredible passion. I’m envious that you have a local miniature club. Maybe I should try to start one because I’ve always wanted one. And you know, I have friends who appreciate it. My husband has been in my life. I laugh and people like how’s he feel about the miniatures? I’m like, well, they came with me. When I met him, I was already that crazy miniature person. So it’s not like he had to adjust. He just had to realize how big it was. But I would love to have local people to connect with because it’s fun to do zoom. And it’s fun to be on calls. But there’s nothing to me like meeting people live and sort of sharing something. So yeah, that’s cool. Well, yeah, I
21:01
found the sign in the Hobby Lobby. It’s a sign and it was like, you know, glowing impact practically because it said, Do you love dollhouse miniatures? Yes, I do. And that was during COVID. So it took me at least a year to get to that first meeting. Yeah. Wow. It’s so cool. We make projects and I love it. Now you’ll have to join us to in many districts, we’re gonna have classes. So if you can’t find a local class, at least you can come and, you know, be part of a class.
21:35
Yeah. Well, I’ll take you up on that. And Hobby Lobby, maybe I should start checking the board at my Hobby Lobby, because it’s one of my favorite places to go. So who are you put up that
21:42
poster? And what they do, then they just meet right there. I’m happy lobbies have places to meet or like a room? Wow.
21:53
I don’t know if ours does or not. But I’m going to check.
21:55
Yeah. So that they would just meet there. So yeah,
21:59
that’s very cool. I like that.
22:01
We wanted to ask you to can you explain to us? Would you call the project for giants?
22:08
Oh, I’m so many chairs for giants, right. So I have worked for some incredible CEOs in my career. So I’ve been an executive assistant and a chief of staff. And I’ve worked for the CEO of Sephora. Before and a half years, I’ve worked for the CEO of Lyft for almost two years, or for the CEO, there are essentially two different CEOs for one and a half year now two and a half years and one and a half years respectively. So miniatures for giants just means giants as in people who are bigger than life, but they’re not actual. So yeah, so those projects, that part of my website just covers some of my favorite projects working for those CEOs. And my first and absolute favorite project is the CEO of Sephora, who to this day, 15 years after I stopped working for him, we’re really close. We had lunch together less than a month ago. And we stay in each other’s lives. And he was what I was taught, what do you get for someone who has everything right? Once you have that successful, you could get any monetary thing that you want. But at the time that I worked for him, things that he talked about constantly were his love of Paris, his love of you know, sort of the retail space and iconic retail brands. And so I created this facade that is a restaurant and he loved crude champagne, one of his favorite things, and it’s really a fun, just play on him and his personality. And anyone that sees it gets it because they know those things are important to him. So that’s what that is those projects, and they were really, really fun to create. And each of them was created for someone that wasn’t a miniature lover. And each person really thought it was kind of cool.
23:40
Amazing. How many hours did you have in some of those?
23:43
I mean, gosh, I think the this for one, probably 30 or 40 hours. There’s one for Optimizely, who’s a CEO that I worked for its first startup that I worked for many years ago. And that one is more staging than creating the facade. This is under a glass box. But it was I made some of the things myself but a lot of it I had to condition people to make certain food and to make certain packaging. And so that one didn’t take as much to create as it did to sort of collaborate and bring it all together. I’d say sometimes I facilitate miniatures, and sometimes I create them. Yeah, no, it’s a lot of fun. I haven’t done one of those in a while. And I really want to so
24:22
I can’t wait. I’m shall see it on your new tic tac.
24:27
Yeah, well, the TIC tock is all gallery. So I’m trying to I’m trying to sort of diversify if that’s the right term for it because I think Instagram is great. It’s like all things like everything is there. But I want Tik Tok to be the galleries and I and I’m thinking about you a YouTube channel and what I want that to be so they’re all miniatures, but they’re not necessarily going to be that you see everything in the same place because it’s kind of like the idea that you go to a different social media platform and you see something different. You don’t just see all the stuff that you’ll see on Instagram. So wish me luck.
24:58
That’s awesome. I can’t wait It seems Like you got some amazing things in store for us for the future. Oh, I
25:04
hope so. Thank you.
25:05
So you mentioned that you do commissioned some things. Are there something you just can’t? No, not for me, like, clay or you know, just any type of medium that you like, not for me?
25:17
Well, you know, it’s funny, I was asked recently to collaborate on a project with someone who’s in fashion, and actually had to tell her no, because I don’t make clothing. I don’t make small clothing, I don’t make small shoes. So the stuff that she wanted to punish me for would be something that I would have to commissioned someone for or buy from someone else. So if it’s something that specifically deals with creating a form, like a miniature person, or fashion, I can’t do it. I could create a scene for you. But I wouldn’t be the one creating those things. Otherwise, no. So far, I have not had anyone asked me to create like a full project or a duplicate of something that I thought I couldn’t do, or I wouldn’t do. No. So are you using
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any of the new technology, like the 3d printers or,
26:03
like desperately want a 3d printer? Rachel, I really do trying to figure out where to put maybe the space right over here that has a miniature on it? Yeah, no, I have a good become really good friends with a gentleman who does a lot of my 3d printing, he does the modeling for me. And then I purchased it through a third party, because he also doesn’t have a 3d printer. And we were joking. Like maybe one of us should invest in a 3d printer. So yeah, I actually purchase a lot of stuff that I either mock up or design and he’s an engineer, so we come up with the design together, then he creates the form and then we get it 3d printed. So yeah, I would actually love to have a 3d printer, I think it would change my life.
26:39
To me, I think the hardest thing to learn is the 3d modeling. So if you have that, for $200, you could have a printer and come down
26:49
in price, right? Because just a few years ago, they were cost prohibitive, but you say $200, and that makes me think I need
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Yeah, so I have I have one actually kind of a side story. Be careful what gloves you use, because right now I have a allergic reaction on my both my hands that I know my hands are burning. A lesson learned. I think I’m allergic to the gloves that I bought. Wow.
27:11
Are they latex? Yes.
27:15
Yeah. So I will be getting new gloves in my future. But $100? Yeah, like I said, if you have someone if you can do all the rendering, look at all the things Wow. Like all the possibilities now, right?
27:29
Yeah, no, it would change my life. And that’s funny, you said, You know what you can do the rendering. And I could just print it. So I had a little, little Oh, not little, it was a big moment with my Tiffany project where he created. Tiffany has these iconic handles, their art deco, and they’re on all of their metal, but a lot of the Tiffany stores have them on the front doors. So I was excited to create that as part of this project. Because it’s not just the interior. It’s the facade of a store. There are small, right? So I’ve had so many things, moving pieces, and I don’t have a studio, I don’t have a space. So I work on our kitchen table on our dining room, coffee table over here in my little state, like I do not work in one place. So I lose track of things. Unfortunately, sometimes, well, I lost these little handles. And the project was due in three days, and he wasn’t gonna be able to. I couldn’t I couldn’t do it through the third party in time. So I found someone local that he could send the file to, and it costs me what’d you say that printer costs? Oh, wow. I was floored between the rush fee and then getting it to me quickly because they were in a town deep in Oakland, not in the town. They were in Oakland, but in a place that wasn’t easily accessible to me. And I ended up paying for the express delivery by courier and it was it was over $200
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Guys, I couldn’t make $1.
28:45
Rachel, he didn’t want to know. I’m going to look up 3d printers while we get off.
28:53
That’s probably when you think about what I’m thinking it’s resin, right? Is that what the yes, that is what you use. You can get a big bottle of resin for $30. And then alas me months. Wow. So really, they I mean the markup on that was
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crazy. No and I knew it right. I was like I need to pay it because this is sort of what what to do when you mess up. I need to deliver I’m not going to disappoint the client. But yeah, thank you for telling me I yeah, I need a 3d printer, it would change my life. And so much of what I do for the modeling for small things is like the time between him having time to create the finish up the model for me like I’ll either send him a drawing a sentiment image and say but about this, but can this be shorter, whatever, and he does it. And then we have to I have to send it to the format the platform that I purchase it on and the earliest they can get it to me as four or five days but then that’s very expensive. So I usually wait two weeks to get it. So I always lose two and a half to three weeks on every new project because I don’t have the ability to put
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you’ll need one for sure. And the thing that I can tell you right up front make sure it’s level. If it level then you’re good to go. You If it’s level, it definitely is not going to work. Your prints are not going to come out. Yeah, we were good was
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good. And I’m not I know I’m not allergic to latex. So yeah, I
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never knew that until till now. Well, I’m sorry. That’s okay. Those cameras that I’m making are just there. What is so cool?
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So man, I know you’re I know this is this podcast is you asking me questions, but may I ask you a couple of questions, because I’m just so intrigued with your work. And I love I love the club idea. I really do. So may I ask what started? Like, what what made you decide you wanted to have a manager of the Month Club?
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It? Are you that’s you’re talking about my subscription box? Yes, sorry. Yes. Um, well, my goal is to you know, some hopefully my boss isn’t listening to this, but quit my corporate job that I’ve never been wired for corporate and losing my brother and my dad, I’ll within six months this year, I realized Life is too short. And I’m going to do what I love. Well, I still have to feed the family and, you know, pay for a house and all that good stuff. So I thought subscription box is just a way to know kind of what’s coming in the door every month. Yeah. And, you know, and I love doing it. I love like waiting in doing my job. Yeah. I never thought that I could do miniatures. You know, as a business. I never. I never thought I could. And so I’m really going to make a go of it. And like I said, it brings me so much joy. So why not? I think everyone should do what makes them happy. And you know, I’m not all in it for the money. That’s not the whole thing. But I like I said, I do have to put food on the table too. So yeah, I just, I love it.
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Yeah. Oh, you inspire me. Because I would love it to like you, I have a corporate job. And I’m doing this on my lunch break. So I’m not in trouble. But I would love to have miniatures be you know, a full time thing. And it isn’t as easy. You know, even if you have the resources to just dedicate the time to it or the money to it, it isn’t easy. If you have something else going all the time to really make it bigger or make it your focus. And yeah, I I really do want the same thing. And I my condolences to for your your loss. As you know, I lost two family members this year as well. My mom and my nephew, were incredible humans, and it’s life is hard when you have lost, but we keep going and yeah, I My company is allowing us to go into the office a couple of days a week, or more than that if we want to. And I started doing that. And I like being able to get out of the house more. Because I’ve got cabin fever. I’m kind of tired of being an
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COVID Yeah, and I’m the opposite if i i am still at home and I do like it more because I that the office to me was very toxic. So at least here I’m in my own environment. And so I do like that. Just give me work. And I’ll do it. Right. Yeah. Unfortunately, being treated as a contractor or a freelancer.
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Yeah, I am I work the company I work for has beautiful space in San Francisco. Ridiculously gorgeous views. Beautiful offices, beautiful art. So the opposite. Like for me, being in the office is fun. Although once COVID hit and we talked about, would you be in the office full time if you didn’t have to be? My answer is no. So if I could be in the office part time, I love the idea of a hybrid schedule where I can be there some of the time and be at home some of the time. But being in the office full time for me now feels a little like it’d be hard for me to do that after a year and a half to adjust back to that. But being at home full time is also not what I want to do. So yeah. Here’s hoping,
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well, kudos for us for finding out what we want and going to get it right. Like for so many years, I complained and complained to my friends and my poor husband. So I finally took action. Like
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when did you discover miniatures? When did they become big for you? Well,
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the first time I ever really noticed them was like 12 I was at a craft craft store and they had a rack and there were just a nice little packages. And it was something beyond Barbie because I loved Barbie, but like you. I didn’t like Barbie. I liked the dream house and I knock it down and set it back up again. When I saw these little miniatures in the craft store that weren’t RV, they looked real and they weren’t plastic. I was like, What is this? So then I was intrigued. But of course, being a teenager and young adult, I kind of can’t play with that stuff anymore. Yeah. And so it wasn’t until I was in my late 20s that I realized that there was a world out there of miniature. Oh, that’s cool. I love that. And I just recently I brought it back out. What would it be a year ago? Oh,
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so that’s cool. So you had your your miniature box club for how long? Because you have like 1000 subscribers. You have a lot of people that are doing it.
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Yeah, I have um, let’s see. I’m on my second box. Oh no, this December will be my third box. Wow. I’ve been doing it by monthly just because it’s all handmade. Right. Yeah. So I can’t keep up with anything more than two months every other every other month. Yeah. And I do a featured artist now, which is pretty cool. So I get other people’s work out. And it’s it’s fun to also give back to other miniatures into.
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I agree. Yeah, no, the miniature community is really wonderful. And that’s what I longed to do to connect more to it to do more of these to talk to more people about it and to go to an in person club. You’re right, I might have to start one. But yeah, no, I love the miniature community, the creativity, and frankly, even the care. I think that it’s like certain knock knock people all the same. It’s not a hive of people, but people that have sort of a common thread of caring about details, but also carrying those people that I think are attracted to miniatures. Least that’s been my experience. So
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yeah. And I feel like people are passionate, like really in or they’re not right. No, not my thing. But you don’t really find in the middle. I feel like people are just really passionate. If they’re into miniatures, it’s usually that’s how I found people, right? No,
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okay. Yeah, no, the same. You’re right. I don’t know any passive miniatures that are kind of like, there’s your like, yeah, oh,
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is it hard for you to put a price tag on your work?
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Sometimes? Yeah. Although it’s funny, I had some recent experiences that really helped with that, because I had a project for Google, which was one of the biggest corporate projects I’ve ever done. And the cool thing was, they found me I didn’t go to them and say, let me do this project, they found me and I did an MLK, Martin Luther King, Jr. Gallery for MLK Day, this past January. And it was really cool to have one of their leaders say to me, so. So this is what we’ll pay. And I was shocked. And he said, so now you have the standard. Now, you know, that that’s the value of what at least that value that we put that I put on your work. So that’s the lens through which you can sort of price but it’s complicated, right, because not everyone has a Google budget. But Google is a very, very wealthy company. So they can afford to pay an artist, even a not really well known creative person, a lot of money to make something. And you might want to do this for nonprofit, or for someone that just doesn’t have the budget. So I think that budgets are a suggestion. It’s not to say that I don’t want to get paid well for my work. But the Google thing really opened my eyes that if you have a client that has the budget, and they know that this is going to be a lot of work for you, and they’re going to pay it, then that’s sort of so it gave me an idea of tears. And a lot of my work in the years past had been gifts or for people that frankly, didn’t have big budgets to pay me a lot. So I would work with it. But as I’ve shifted into middle age and want to continue to make this build and not eventually, like you want to quit my corporate job someday, I have to be to make the money. So yeah, that’s, that’s that’s an interesting question. Because it’s, it’s tricky.
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And, and I love how Google realizes it’s an art form. And yeah, you know,
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not just crafting, you’re not just crafting, like to them. If you are a miniatures, you’re an artist. And I love that too, because they help they help elevate it. For me, I’ve always felt that way. But I know people that just think it’s cute. Or if I told them what I would charge for something I had a woman when a woman wants in the office that I worked for many years ago, and I was commissioned to do a miniature room for for someone. And I brought it in, and a lot of people saw it. And they were like, Oh, that’s amazing. And she said, so about how much would you charge for something like that? And I looked at it. And I tried to think just quickly how many hours I put into it. I said, probably about $1,500. And her eyes got so big. And she goes, Oh, I wouldn’t pay more than $200 for that. And I laughed and I said, the stuff that I bought to put in it cost more than $200. So some people just kind of think it’s cute, and they don’t get it that it’s intense. A lot of time spent. And in my case research and time and fussing with what’s the right, like, what’s the right what my husband said that’s in your head, like no one’s in your head. When they see it, they see what you presented, they don’t think it’s missing or that lamp should have been blue. Like they don’t think that but I think about what’s the experience going to be of the person that’s getting it. So I can be in my head a little too much and get a little intense about it. But I just I just think it’s an art form. It’s not just crafting,
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too. And I do feel that there’s a buyer for every art, like your art, like there’s a certain buyer out there and for everything. So that lady just wasn’t your
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buyer or your Yeah. Thank you.
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I often find it hard to put a price tag on some things.
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So how do you get there then?
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Heart just lots of thinking. And, you know, they always say What did it cost to make time to buy three when I used to do craft shows? There’s not for miniatures, but just for every other thing I made under the sun. I’m very crafty anyway, they would say whatever you have in it times three. That’s what
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I’m spraying. Yeah. So I try to
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always think of that. But again, miniatures is so hard because where’s my time you take a long time to maybe
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they do. Right. See, and that’s the cool thing about talking to the miniatures, because even if someone is an artist or creative person, they don’t necessarily get how long it took for you to create that little thing. Right? So I love that you said that because my best friend, my best girlfriend actually said the same thing when we talked about one of my recent projects, and she said, Well, you didn’t really make any money because you’re charging materials, right? And then you think about what would the cost be for the project, but not necessarily, you’re spending x number of hours. So she said, it’s not just that you’re that they’re paying for the thing. They’re paying for your time, and they’re paying for it. Now they have a unique, one of a kind piece of art. So it was really helped, it’s really good sometimes to have conversations with people that are not in your head that aren’t talking to you aren’t talking about with all the time because they have a perspective that makes you think, and so we laughed, and I said, Well, I’ve been undercharging, because yeah. I threw the Google rule out the door, because again, not everybody has a Google budget. And I think you should be able to adjust your budget. And that’s not to say work for pennies will work for less. But I think if you want to create something wonderful, and someone’s interested in having you do that, and if their budget isn’t, you know, 1000s of dollars, then how can you create something that you’re not losing money, because you’re not spending 100 hours on it. But it’s something magical and special that then they get to keep?
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It’s so fun when you give people a creation, if it’s not a manager, if it’s just something I made, I just love giving something that I made and
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right, yeah, it’s really special. Right? Like, it’s no one else is going to have that exact thing. And this will be something I think it’s shows love and care when you make things for people. You’re right. Whether it’s been interesting enough.
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I don’t know if you saw we’re doing a mini swap. I would love to get something from Tammy in the mail.
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Let’s do it. Oh, I’m gonna No, I didn’t see I’m gonna have to go back on
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a miniature swap. So $20 or under something you made or something you have, you know? And then you send it to the person. I think I’m going to try to do it closest to you the person closest to you in the US. Yeah, so so many swap how fun gets awesome. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Meet other monitors. So I do have a few other questions. You talk the first time when we first talked to you talked about a show that you attended for 16 years. You called it the largest, largest show. I can’t talk today west of the Mississippi. It’s in San Jose, and it’s called The Good Sam. Can you talk live? Did you go this year in October?
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Yeah. Oh, I did. And it was amazing. Because they didn’t have it last year, because the COVID. And this year, it was definitely a different experience. Because there were less less people displaying and less people selling, I would say half. So normally. So it’s at the DoubleTree and huge hotel in downtown San Jose. And it’s a really gorgeous big space. And the lobby, sort of the far left end of the lobby is where all of the people that display their work. So that’s that’s the cool thing about it is it’s twofold. It’s people displaying, you know, their miniatures. And then inside, it’s all sales. So it’s all tables of people selling miniatures, and the outside space that’s normally packed with just model after model, things that the room boxes and doll houses that people made. That was all inside with, with the people that were selling, and it was sort of very strategically placed. Like every few tables you’d see. Part of it was COVID. Right giving people space, but also they just didn’t have as many people at the show, providing, you know, sales or work to look at so that that gave them a full space, so it didn’t look anemic. Oh my goodness, I lost my mind. I bought way too much stuff. Yes, the show is actually this was the 45th annual so the show has been around for a long time, and I’ve gone for 16 or 17 years. I love it. It’s it’s all the things it’s no matter what your budget is, you can find something at the show. So they have a white elephant table where they have stuff that’s either old or broken or perhaps inherited from someone that had a collection and they passed away or they just don’t want to do it anymore. So they donate it. They have really high end stuff. They have some of the like best known on and over the years, some artists no longer attend. So I went I don’t know if I mentioned anywhere that I worked for a miniature shop. When I was at Parsons, I worked for Madison Avenue dollhouse shop. And some of the people that we all got our stuff from was a really famous furniture furniture maker in miniature And shame on me. I only remember Thomas not his last name, but Natasha, who is Russian and she makes hand painted miniature furniture. So they were always you know, we did business with them. And they did the show for many years. And I think he still does it or maybe his son or relative of his desk, but it’s magical. And my husband used to like leave me and just it’s like okay, I’m gonna go have lunch and we’re gonna go somewhere not here. And for the last few times that I’ve gone he’s done. The show has gone through with me and it’s so fun because he’s like, this is actually really cool stuff. And there are people here who are wicked talented, like super talented. Yeah, I would love if you could get yourself from the Midwest get to this show one year you will not regret it. It’s one of the best shows in the world I think. Yeah.
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Yeah, all I have to compare it to is Chicago and Chicago again this year, or this weekend. I really wanted to go the Philadelphia show, but maybe next year.
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Yeah. Go to a show on the East Coast next year. That’s my goal. Yeah.
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Yeah, for sure. So do you feel like there was less people? Because this yourself COVID?
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Yes, I actually spoke with a couple of the organizers who were outside greeting. And that’s exactly what they said. And frankly, some of the people that make that will maybe they’re not the people that actually create and make the miniatures, but they sell them. A few of them are older, like over 70. So they had the concern that they weren’t going to be safe. Some of them didn’t want to fly. So yeah, COVID, I was totally COVID had a huge impact on the show this year.
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Yeah, I find that the older generation that does miniatures, there’s so much talent. So yes, please share that information with us. Like, some of them are very hard to open up and, you know, tell their secrets or their skill, but so to pick their brains would be amazing. Yeah. So would you ever do a show and sell?
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I would. In fact, we joke about the fact that I probably might, I might have to, because I don’t want to be the person. I mean, I don’t have the collection that you spoke about the woman that passed away that was in the miniature club. I don’t have any of the brand near that. But I have a lot because for years, I fantasized about having a small shop. So I was always building not just what am I going to make with these things? But what am I going to sell? So I have enough to open a small shop actually really do. So the idea of being able to sell some of that stuff my daughter and I’ve been talking about do I do a pop up around the holidays? Do I do an open house and a one room? I mean, I I’m really beginning to think about the fact that I don’t want my family, hopefully many years from now. And I want my family to be left with all my stuff. When I die. It’s like what are we gonna do with all these miniatures? My daughter is inheriting the amazing dollhouse. But there’s so much that they’re just going to be like, what do we do with it? So I think I have to start getting rid of stuff, do the pop up
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shop, what because my aunt still lives, like five miles from you then then Hill. And so we’re find my mom out there for the winter. So do it when I’m there dropping her off or picking her up and
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I wouldn’t be very cool get to meet you in person. And I would do a pop up shop if I knew you’re going to be in town. But not really. I actually thought about it last year too. But I knew I mean planning it last year, I knew that I wouldn’t do it last year. But I thought when this COVID thing is over, I probably should like work. That idea that I’ve had for the past few years to do a miniature pop up show you a lot of fun. That’d be so cool.
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So when you go to the shows, what is the the one thing like you’re attracted to like? Yep, gotta have that it’s going home with me. So believe
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it or not, I try to choose a theme for every year for each show. And sometimes it depends on what project I’m working on at the time. Like I’m specifically working on a nursery that I’m looking for baby things if I’m specifically working on, you know, a den or kitchen, but but I had this little system, which is I always want to leave with something that I think is a little too expensive, but it’s worth it. And that budget changes. You know, sometimes I some years that budget was $50. Some years it was $200 but had a budget. But sometimes,
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I’m sorry, maybe next time it’ll be a Google budget.
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Yeah, it hasn’t hasn’t been a Google budget yet. But um, but this year, it was I mainly wanted to find things that were a good deal. And the deals were happening. And I think in part because people just sort of knew that the turnout, they were going to need to, like draw people in. And I and I know the show really well. It’s so funny, because I spend time saying, oh, you know, I haven’t seen you with the show for the last few years. So you’re new to the show when people laugh and they’re like, how do you know, I’m like this. I know the show, like I know most of the vendors by name or by face I bought from them. And I love you know, the miniature community. So it’s always been a lot of fun for me to, to sort of connect with that. I like the show because it’s just kind of cool to mingle with, with people that share your passion. And it’s and it’s everyone. That’s the part that’s fun. For me, it’s not just the people that are selling or the people that are displaying. It’s the people that are walking around looking for stuff. And every show has like the person that doesn’t come to the show all the time. So you’ll hear in passing oh my god, this show is incredible. I’ve never been to a miniature show. So I feel like I’m always hearing that every show. I’ve got almost every show I’ve gone to I’ve heard someone say, Wow, this is amazing. I’ve never been to a miniature show. And I’ve tried to get friends of mine that aren’t necessarily into miniatures to go with me over the years and they promise that they don’t come with me. So it’s always my husband. But yeah, I think it’s amusing.
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Who runs that.
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The Good Sam show. Yeah. I actually don’t know. I just know it’s called Good Sam. So I’m gonna have to look it up and send it to you when it but again, I’m 45 years so they’re they’re very dedicated to it. And I think it’s been in San Jose almost that entire time. And I thought I wish it were in San Francisco because it be closer to me, because it’s like a hall. It’s over an hour drive. But it’s worth it. Yeah,
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yeah, my bucket list it would be alright. bucket list I guess just goals is once a year I’m going to go to a show and not just the way Chicago because that’s the closest, but I would love to go. Yeah all around. Would it be cool to go to one overseas somewhere like
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that thought about that I, oh, you don’t even know, I fantasize about going to a miniature show in the UK. Because I’ve seen video and I’ve seen it was like, these shows are incredible. And in fact, someone that I purchased from for the Tiffany project sent me photos of gentlemen that she’s been friends with was displaying a UK like, ridiculously large dollhouse and miniature show and I was like, I want to go
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in? Is that what it’s called? And
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maybe you’re not actually I don’t I don’t know that there was a big one. Yeah, so that probably might have been it. But I want to go to I think I think it’s a good goal to have to go once a year to a miniature show that’s not local. So I’m going to feel that from you. That’s going to go on my list
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where you meet me in Chicago, then in April, and I’ll meet you in San Jose in October. Good. That sounds good. So the last thing I want to talk about unless you mean if you have anything else to share, too, but is the house behind you. Your I think you called it your dream project, or did you call it your Yeah. Can you talk about that? And what to do?
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Yeah, so this this amazing brownstone that has influences that are New York, Paris and San Francisco, which are all my favorite cities. I purchased it for a big birthday 20 years ago, for a lot of reasons. One was I just always wanted a really big doll house that was mine. But also because at that point, you know, we had young kids, and I was thinking we’re not going I’m not going fact, we only had our first child, I’m probably not, we’re not probably not gonna buy a house because we live in San Francisco. And it’s really expensive. So I’m going to invest in this doll house. So I designed it. It was sort of a base model. Believe it or not, I bought it from a gentleman in the UK. And my friends who like you couldn’t find a local or a United States builder, you spent the money. I’m like, Yeah, because I loved. I felt like he got me we worked really well on the design. And he had a sort of a shell. And I told him what I wanted. And he sent it over. And it’s in two piece, it’s in two parts, because it’s so big as too big to be one part. And once I got it, I just thought I’m going to take my time. And that was easy to do, because I had a young child. And then a few years later had another one. So it wasn’t like I could spend a ton of time working on the doll house. But I just thought it would be like a project that would last me the rest of my life I pictured not finishing it, you know, I never thought it’s going to be finished. I thought I’m going to work on it until I’m not here anymore. So believe it or not, it sat for a decade, just because like I said young family and I wasn’t trying to spend time building a dollhouse. And then about three years ago, I started working on the exterior. So it was just, it was like a piece of furniture, it was just wood. What was an unfinished piece of furniture didn’t have any of the detail. So it didn’t have any of the trim and molding that you see it didn’t have the coin. It didn’t have any of that. And I just, I don’t make that stuff by hand. I find people that make it and then and some of it by machine, some of it’s by hand and I just started methodically working on it. And then the coolest thing for me is the good Sam’s show. Two years ago, I bought this extension, which it was just the you know, it was a doll house extension. So someone either sold the house or didn’t have the house anymore. And it was like 40 bucks, and solid wood. And I thought I want that doll house and my husband just looked at me. He said, What are you going to do with that? I said, Well, my house was kind of modeled after the New York brownstone. And the ones that are on the end of the street often have this really beautiful bay window and it’s not always on the ground floor. And sometimes it’s two storeys and I said my dollhouse needs those big windows. And he just smiled. And I bought it home and I made it sort of tie in with the rest of the house. And I love it. It looks really cool. So yeah, this is a project that is so near and dear to my heart and really special to me. And I know that when it’s finally done, it’s going to be incredible. The funny thing is I have most of what I need to finish it like I have the electrification I have, you don’t want to know how much wallpaper I have Rachel, it’s a problem. I collect wallpaper. I have floors, I have incredible furniture, I have enough furniture to fill this dollhouse literally 10 times over. But I just haven’t had the time to just focus on it. So I think I better start working on it. Because I’m never going to have the time to just focus on it. Like that’s not going to happen. So I have to just sort of start
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doing it. I have like a night a week. That’s your dream. Yeah,
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I like that. That was my that was my resolution for 2021 was going to be that I’ve worked on it. At least one weekend every month, but hasn’t happened. So
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we’ll have to share some visuals maybe so they can see what I’m seeing. But I love that extension that because it would be like really tall in this gives it more dimension like right?
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No, I agree because it is it’s extremely vertical. And it’s it’s standing height is over six feet. It’s tall. It’s tall. So yeah, so I think it does. It’s very pretty that it has sort of bat and if you can’t see a side view of it, but that it has that dimension. I think it makes it more interesting. And it also gives me more, more space to put furniture. It makes me a place to put stuff.
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Yeah. What I love about it is it is so tall so it doesn’t take up as much room.
55:11
Right? Yeah, because there are right a lot of doll houses that are wide. In fact, I inherited a doll house that’s in my shed. From one of my son’s friends. His grandmother decided to finally get rid of her beautifully built dollhouse that her father made. And it is gorgeous, but just not well cared for the all of the floors are hand done different floors, like he has a herringbone floor in one room and just like crazy beautiful, but the outside is just they didn’t take care of it. And as things got knocked on it, and she gave me all this stuff to go with it. And I it’s so wide. It’s sat near the fireplace in our living room for almost a year. My husband’s like, I think he can have to find a place for that. And I said I thought I started to work on it, but I’m not doing it before I do my brownstone. So I’ve moved it into the shed, but it is explicit. And it’s very, very wide. I would say it’s at least three feet wide. It’s so big.
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Yeah. Yeah, I love it. So well. It has there’s
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on this one. Yeah. Yes. Yes. It’s funny. Some people don’t write they don’t put stairs stairs on the interior because it takes up space. But yes, a New York brownstone would not be a new brownstone with upstairs. So in some cases, they’ll be hidden. So there’ll be a wall where you can’t see, you know, there’ll be the suggestion that there are stairs, but you won’t be able to see them because I want to be able to have as much decorating space as possible. But on the main floor, you will see a very grand, beautiful staircase. Yeah. And no dolls, no dolls ever. Although I do have a butler. And I’m debating whether or not to put him in there. Because I got a butler when I was working for the Madison Avenue doll house shop and I have a really cool treadmill and I keep him on the treadmill. It’s kind of a joke of mine, make those Butler’s work a bit harder. And I thought about possibly putting him in the attic. But I’m not convinced that that’s going to happen.
56:47
For some reason I was going over here. Well said no, we we plan this what podcasts like couple months ago, and we’re finally getting to meet now. But for some reason I had no doubts like me, written in your like your notes tonight. I don’t even know why I got that from I don’t know, I thought I’d make sure it’s true. Like I don’t even know I have this written?
57:08
Yeah, yeah, no, I said it. And yeah, I’m not really adult person. And also, I think that, for me, especially with miniatures, it’s the idea of picturing a human in the space. Like whenever I look at a miniature especially a really well done one, I always think I wish I were I wish I could sit in that chair. I wish I could, you know, be part of that experience. And if it’s, if they’re adults in there, then the story is told, and it’s not a story to kind of invent? Yes, that’s right. Yeah. Yeah.
57:37
Well, we’re coming up in an hour. So anything else you want to share? Maybe kind of already gave us some glimpses into what is in the future for you, but any, you’re gonna be in tic tac, and YouTube. So we can get
57:50
started tic tock working on a fun project with YouTube that I’ll probably get it out by the New Year. And that’s another thing you know, we talked about how long miniatures take. And I think for me, it’s this unrealistic expectation about being able to move faster and to do do more faster. And at the end, I’m not necessarily disappointed with the result. In fact, more often than not, I’m really happy with it. But I have after all these years of doing them, I still underestimate how long something is going to take. So that’s where I’ve started to be a little bit gentler with myself. My Tiffany project, which I’m going to like I said, you’ll see it on my IG and on like, in fact, there’s a tour of it on Instagram, but I don’t have a lot of photos of it. I honestly spent 25% more hours. So I noticed that it took a long time, but I had no idea it would take 100 hours. So that’s part of the learning for me. And I think that’s with anything, right? Because I want to continue to learn and grow and get better at my craft and also be better with my time is to be realistic about it. So at first, I haven’t thought it was wonderful. And she grounds me even though I’m her mom, sometimes she’s she’s mothering me. And she’s like, Well, Mom, you know, that’s a great idea. But you you get overwhelmed because you want to do so much. So maybe we take it slow. Because at first I was like well, yeah, before the end of the year, I want to have the tic toc and the YouTube and I’m naming all the things my daughter’s like mom, like you work full time, you’re not just doing miniatures. So it was good to have that because she really did help me sort of think about it as it doesn’t all have to happen right now. But the planning needs to happen soon if I want to make it happen. So yeah, I just started the two days ago, and I love it.
59:18
I think everyone needs a daughter like that in their life.
59:21
I think so too. She’s amazing. Her name is Genevieve, and she’s incredible. I think everyone does if not a daughter, someone you know someone that wants you and sort of knows you. And can say well, yeah, maybe not.
59:32
Yeah, no. I can’t wait to see what you have in the future. And I really, really enjoyed our conversation. And I always thought, you know, I knew we had stuff in common. But now talking with you. I think we have way more in common than I even realized. So yeah.
59:47
Thank you so much for giving me the opportunity to talk with you, Rachel and to learn more about you and I’m excited for what you’re what you’re working on. And this whole swap thing just sounds amazing. So I’m very excited about the miniatures swap. Very excited about you coming out to the bay area so that we can you can attend my pop up show. So yeah,
1:00:05
I gotta get my mom out there so she hates she hates winter so we’re shipping her out to Cali Alright, well you have a great day and thank you again so much.
1:00:16
Thank you. You take care.
1:00:17
Okay.

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